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10.01.2014

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KHOKHLOV ALEXEY REMOVICH

Alexei Removich Khokhlov was born in 1954 in Moscow.

Graduated from the Faculty of Physics of the Moscow State University named after M.V. Lomonosov

Since 1977 - assistant, associate professor, professor of the Moscow state university. Since 1993 he has been the head of the Department of Physics of Polymers and Crystals of the Faculty of Physics. Vice-Rector of Moscow State University since 2008. Since 1991 - Head of the Laboratory of Physical Chemistry of Polymers at the Institute of Organoelement Compounds. Nesmeyanov RAS.

Corresponding Member since 1990, Academician since 2000 - Department of Chemistry and Materials Sciences.

Specialist in the field of physical chemistry and physics of macromolecular compounds.
A.R. Khokhlov is the author of fundamental scientific papers world-class in the field of polymer science, both theoretical and applied. He has the priority in the development of a new direction in the science of polymers associated with coil-globule transitions in macromolecular systems. The theory of liquid-crystal ordering developed by him in solutions of rigid-chain polymers with partial flexibility was confirmed experimentally and became classical. A.R. Khokhlov proposed a number of new methods for the synthesis and modification of copolymers, which lead to the formation of non-random sequences of links in the chain that mimic biopolymers, as well as an original approach to the creation of macromolecules with the required functional properties. A.R. Khokhlov developed a new theory of associated polymers, which allowed a team of researchers under his leadership to create new polymer fluids for use in oil production. Thanks to the work on the modification of the surface of polymeric materials during their swelling in supercritical fluids, new wear-resistant and biocompatible plastics have been obtained. Based on the work on obtaining metal nanoparticles of controlled shape and size in polymer matrices, new effective catalysts for the production of vitamins have been created.

Under the leadership of A.R. Khokhlova defended 12 doctoral and about 65 master's theses.
Author of over 600 scientific publications, 7 textbooks and monographs and 25 reviews.

Chief Editor journal "High Molecular Compounds".
Member of the editorial boards of foreign journals: "International Journal of Polymer Materials" (USA), "Biomacromolecules" (USA), "Macromolecular Theory and Simulations" (Germany), "Polymer Journal" (Japan), "Molecular Physics" (UK), " Progress in Polymer Science (USA), Journal of Physics: Condensed Matter (UK), Langmuir (USA), Chinese Journal of Polymer Science (China).

Member of the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Deputy Academician-Secretary of the Department of Chemistry and Materials Sciences. Chairman of the Scientific Council for Macromolecular Compounds of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Chairman of the Council for Science under the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation. Member of the Council for Science, Technology and Education under the President Russian Federation.

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Alexei Removich Khokhlov(born January 10, Moscow) - Soviet and Russian physicist, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, professor, doctor of physical and mathematical sciences. Specialist in the field of polymer physics. Head of the Department of Physics of Polymers and Crystals, Faculty of Physics, Moscow State University. Editor-in-Chief of the journal High Molecular Compounds, Vice-Rector of the Lomonosov Moscow State University M. V. Lomonosov.

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In the most cheerful frame of mind, Nikolai arrived at a hotel in Voronezh at night, ordered for himself everything that he had been deprived of for a long time in the army, and the next day, having cleanly shaved clean and put on a dress uniform, went to be to the authorities.
The head of the militia was a state general, an old man who apparently amused himself with his military rank and rank. He angrily (thinking that this was a military property) received Nikolai and significantly, as if having the right to do so and as if discussing the general course of the matter, approving and disapproving, questioned him. Nikolai was so cheerful that it was only amusing to him.
From the head of the militia, he went to the governor. The governor was a small lively little man, very affectionate and simple. He pointed out to Nikolai those factories where he could get horses, recommended him a horse dealer in the city and a landowner twenty miles from the city, who had the best horses, and promised him all kinds of assistance.
- Are you the son of Count Ilya Andreevich? My wife was very friendly with your mother. On Thursdays I have a gathering; Today is Thursday, you are welcome to me easily, - said the governor, releasing him.
Directly from the governor, Nikolai took the relay and, having seated the sergeant-major with him, galloped twenty miles to the factory to the landowner. Everything during this first time of his stay in Voronezh was fun and easy for Nikolai, and everything, as happens when a person himself is well disposed, everything went well and went smoothly.
The landowner Nikolai came to was an old bachelor cavalryman, a horse connoisseur, a hunter, the owner of a carpet, a hundred-year-old casserole, an old Hungarian and wonderful horses.
In a nutshell, Nikolay bought for six thousand seventeen stallions to select (as he said) for the casual end of his repair. After having lunch and drinking a little extra Hungarian, Rostov, kissing the landowner, with whom he had already agreed on "you", along a disgusting road, in the most cheerful mood, galloped back, constantly chasing the driver in order to be in time for the evening to the governor.
Having changed clothes, perfumed himself and doused his head with cold water, Nikolai, although somewhat late, but with a ready-made phrase: vaut mieux tard que jamais, [better late than never,] appeared to the governor.
It was not a ball, and it was not said that they would dance; but everyone knew that Katerina Petrovna would play waltzes and ecossaises on the clavichord and that they would dance, and everyone, counting on this, gathered for the ballroom.
Provincial life in 1812 was exactly the same as always, with the only difference that the city was livelier on the occasion of the arrival of many rich families from Moscow and that, as in everything that was happening at that time in Russia, there was a noticeable some kind of special sweepingness - the sea is knee-deep, the grass is in life, and even in the fact that that vulgar conversation that is necessary between people and which was previously conducted about the weather and mutual acquaintances, was now conducted about Moscow, about the army and Napoleon.
The society gathered at the governor's was better society Voronezh.
There were a lot of ladies, there were several Moscow acquaintances of Nikolai; but there were no men who could compete in any way with the Knight of St. George, the hussar repairman, and at the same time the good-natured and well-bred Count Rostov. Among the men was one Italian prisoner - an officer French army, and Nikolai felt that the presence of this prisoner even more exalted the importance of him - the Russian hero. It was like a trophy. Nikolai felt this, and it seemed to him that everyone looked at the Italian in the same way, and Nikolai treated this officer with dignity and restraint.
As soon as Nicholas entered in his hussar uniform, spreading the smell of perfume and wine around him, he himself said and heard the words spoken to him several times: vaut mieux tard que jamais, he was surrounded; all eyes turned to him, and he immediately felt that he had stepped into the position of universal favorite, which was fitting for him in the province and always pleasant, but now, after a long deprivation, intoxicated him with pleasure. Not only at the stations, inns and in the landowner's carpet were the maidservants flattered by his attention; but here, at the governor's party, there was (as it seemed to Nikolai) an inexhaustible number of young ladies and pretty girls who were only impatiently waiting for Nikolai to pay attention to them. Ladies and girls flirted with him, and from the first day old women were already busy about how to marry and settle down this young hussar rake. Among these latter was the governor's wife herself, who received Rostov as a close relative and called him "Nicolas" and "you."

Alexei Removich Khokhlov was born in 1954 in Moscow.

Graduated with honors from the Faculty of Physics of Moscow State University in 1977. In 1979, he became a candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, having completed the postgraduate study of the Faculty of Physics with an early defense of his Ph.D. thesis. In 1983, at the age of 29, A.R. Khokhlov defended his doctoral dissertation. Professor at Moscow State University since 1988. Since 1993 he has been the head of the Department of Physics of Polymers and Crystals of the Faculty of Physics. Since 1991 - Head of the Laboratory of Physical Chemistry of Polymers at the Institute of Organoelement Compounds of the Russian Academy of Sciences. He is the editor-in-chief of the journal High Molecular Compounds, a member of the editorial boards of many international scientific journals. Laureate of the State Prize of the Russian Federation in 2007, other international and Russian awards, honorary professor of a number of foreign universities. Academician Russian Academy sciences since 2000 (corresponding member 1990–2000), member of the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences since 2008. Since 2002, he has been the Chairman of the Scientific Council for Macromolecular Compounds of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Member of the European Academy of Sciences since 2000. Vice-Rector of Moscow State University (2008-2018). Chairman of the Council for Science under the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation (since 2013), member of the Council for Science and Education under the President of the Russian Federation (2008–2011 and since 2015).

A.R. Khokhlov is the author of world-class fundamental scientific works in the field of polymer science, both theoretical and applied. He has the priority in the development of a new direction in the science of polymers associated with coil-globule transitions in macromolecular systems. The theory of liquid-crystal ordering developed by him in solutions of rigid-chain polymers with partial flexibility was confirmed experimentally and became classical. A.R. Khokhlov proposed a number of new methods for the synthesis and modification of copolymers, which lead to the formation of non-random sequences of links in the chain that mimic biopolymers, as well as an original approach to the creation of macromolecules with the required functional properties. A.R. Khokhlov developed a new theory of associated polymers, which allowed a team of researchers under his leadership to create new polymer fluids for use in oil production. Thanks to the work on the modification of the surface of polymeric materials during their swelling in supercritical fluids, new wear-resistant and biocompatible plastics have been obtained. Based on the work on obtaining metal nanoparticles of controlled shape and size in polymer matrices, new effective catalysts for the production of vitamins have been created.

He has more than 700 scientific publications, author of 7 textbooks and monographs and 25 reviews. More than 17,000 citations, h-index - 60. A.R. Khokhlov is at the head of a large scientific school, leads pedagogical activity. His textbooks and study guides are known to all students of the world studying the theory of polymers.

The Hamburg Score is smart conversations for smart viewers. The program presents the view of intellectuals on the world.

Modern science provides answers to many questions that concern society. And at the same time, it formulates even more problems at a new round of our development. About this in the studio of Olga Orlova scientists, statesmen, educators and popularizers are talking about the Hamburg account.

Guest: Alexey Khokhlov- Vice-Rector of Moscow State University Lomonosov, Chairman of the Council for Science under the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Olga Orlova: In Russia, a new the federal law about science. How will this document change the life and work of Russian scientists? We decided to ask the Chairman of the Science Council under the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexei Khokhlov about this on the Hamburg account.

Hello Alexey Removich. Thanks for coming to our studio.

Alexey Khokhlov: Hello, Olga.

Alexey Khokhlov. Born in 1954 in Moscow. In 1977 he graduated from the Faculty of Physics of Lomonosov Moscow State University. In 1979 he defended his PhD thesis. In 1983, at the age of 29, he received the degree of Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences. Since 1991 - Head of the Laboratory of Physical Chemistry of Polymers at the Institute of Organoelement Compounds of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Since 1993, he has been the head of the Department of Physics of Polymers and Crystals, Faculty of Physics, Moscow State University. In 2000 he was elected an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences. In 2008 he was appointed Vice-Rector of Lomonosov Moscow State University. Member of the European Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the Science Council under the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation. Member of the Council for Science and Education under the President of the Russian Federation. Laureate of the State Prize of the Russian Federation, other international and Russian awards. Honorary Professor of a number of foreign universities. He has over 700 scientific publications. Author of 7 textbooks and monographs and 25 reviews in the field of polymer science.

O.O.: Aleksey Removich, in addition to being Vice-Rector of Moscow State University, you also headed and continue to head the Science Council under the Ministry of Education and Science for 2 terms. You and your colleagues are considering practically all the most important documents by which Russian science will live and develop. Not so long ago, you reviewed the most important document that has been prepared. Now it has not yet been submitted to the State Duma. This is a new draft law on science in the Russian Federation. Why is it remarkable, why is it important, and how will it affect the lives of Russian scientists?

A.Kh.: Indeed, in May we considered the "Law on Science, Scientific, Technical and Innovative Activities in the Russian Federation" - that's how it is called in full. On the whole, we respectfully assessed this document, because, of course, the old law on science of 1996 is outdated. There are many things that need to be changed. There are not many entities that appeared in last years in Russian science. And from this point of view, there is a lot of new legislation. I will give 2 examples.

There, for example, the interaction of educational organizations and scientific organizations in terms of joint training of students and graduate students is very well regulated. There was a problem: for the purposes of joint training, some equipment needed to be transferred from an academic institute to a university, or vice versa. These issues are well-adjusted there. For example, problems related to the fact that sometimes grants are made not by organizations, but by teams of scientists are regulated there. Since they do not have accounting, they need to conclude mediation agreements with scientific organizations. This term has been introduced. Here it all gets this legislative framework in the new science law. Scientific activity is creative activity. And from this point of view, it should be evaluated by the result, and not by the number of hours spent to obtain this result.

O.O.: Your council for science periodically makes such statements on those processes or on those events in scientific life, which you consider the most important, iconic. Here is one such statement that was recently made. This is a statement about the development of relations with the scientific Russian diaspora. That you have adopted a special statement on this matter. Something is happening, something has alerted you, something is going wrong, are there any problems? Why was such a special document needed?

A.Kh.: The meaning of our statement is very simple. That now, in fact, the great potential of the Russian scientific diaspora, which exists, is used mainly in terms of mega-grants, some kind of grant funding, which is limited by the duration of the grant, and, perhaps, to a lesser extent, allows to establish some kind of long-term ties, and in general forms may be different. This is not necessarily the implementation of a large grant. Because the implementation of a large grant requires a presence in the country for 4 months.

OO: Not everyone can afford it.

A.Kh.: Not everyone can. At the same time, many want to participate, they want to somehow help give lectures, interact with students, help prepare students, graduate students, and so on. And this desire...

O.O.: Again, this is the next stage in the legalization of these relations.

A.Kh .: And this desire comes up against the fact that there is no coordinating body, coordinating organization that would be a link between representatives of the Russian scientific diaspora and our scientific and educational organizations. The meaning of our statement is that we need to think about one or more such organizations that would specialize in turning the great potential that exists to the benefit of Russian science.

O.O.: Tell me, Alexey Removich, but do you see who would be really interested in this today in Russia? What departments, organizations, officials... Why am I asking this? Because it seems that you are saying very reasonable things, but the general vector, the attitude that is heard from the authorities, from the deputies, from the heads of ministries and departments. He is somehow isolationist all the time: go back to the past and fence yourself off.

A.Kh.: I don't know. I'll give you a counterexample. After all, our colleagues, compatriots who work abroad, mega-grants, are very active and offer new forms of organization Russian science.

O.O.: Yes, they are.

A.Kh.: In September last year, they met with President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and offered him new program which has already been implemented. Presidential Program research projects. Additional money has been allocated for it. And now the Russian Science Foundation is reviewing those applications that have been submitted. That is, it shows that, firstly, our colleagues abroad are actively speaking out. Secondly, the government hears them and tries to transmit this vector inside the Russian Federation to our scientific organizations. I understand your question in the sense that there are certain leaders of scientific organizations, sometimes some... even in the Russian Academy of Sciences, who are apprehensive about such contacts. But it seems to me that it is precisely here that the authorities should show, and are actually showing, that such things contribute to the modernization of Russian science, its advancement to the world level, and they should be welcomed in every possible way.

O.O.: Is your statement a way of influencing the authorities or a way of influencing whom? Who are you addressing this to?

A.Kh.: Since we are talking about the creation of certain organizations that should coordinate, we address this to the authorities, we address this to large organizations that can become coordinators of this type of interaction on their own initiative.

O.O.: In September 2017, the election of the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences should take place. And you are one of those who decided to run for president. Why did you decide to do it now?

A.Kh.: In both the 2008 and 2013 elections, I supported Vladimir Evgenyevich Fortov. And he is a great scientist. But after Fortov was elected in 2013, this situation arose with the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and he actually worked in such conditions when the reform was already being carried out without institutions. There was a certain tug-of-war between the Russian Academy of Sciences and FASO. I talked a lot with Vladimir Evgenievich about the direction in which, from my point of view, it is necessary to change the style of work of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Part of the project has been implemented. In particular, the project "Professors of the Russian Academy of Sciences", "Experts of the Russian Academy of Sciences" - this has really been done. And in conversations before the March elections, Vladimir Evgenievich said that he was determined to implement these reforms. But now that he is...

OO: He is not running, yes.

A.Kh.: I decided that we should try these ideas that were discussed ...

O.O.: That is, you want to implement what should have been implemented, but did not work out?

AH: Yes, absolutely right.

OO: Let's talk about your election program then. In the newspaper "Trinity Variant" you wrote almost a manifesto. And one of those important central points lies in the fact that the Russian Academy of Sciences should deal with the problems of the entire Russian science, and not the narrow corporate interests of relations with FASO, with institutes, and so on. But, tell me, what mechanisms do you see at the Russian Academy of Sciences in the form in which it now exists? Small budget, lack of administrative ties with institutions, heavy reputational losses. All this together. What opportunities do you see for the Russian Academy of Sciences to engage in science policy and the interests of science in Russia in general?

A.Kh.: First, what I said, what I put forward is the provision of the law on the Russian Academy of Sciences. It really should be engaged in the scientific and methodological guidance of the entire scientific field and not just institutions federal agency scientific organizations. You understand, resources and powers are achieved through an active attitude. There is no need to think that if the Academy of Sciences sits all the time, is silent, does not issue any statements, and some additional powers will fall on it somewhere from the sky.

O.O.: You want to say that freedom is not given, it is taken?

AH: Yes, absolutely right. Here I can give just an example of our council on science. When it was created, it was the spring of 2013. Even employees of the ministry told me: "Well, there is another collar being created around our necks with these same scientists. Why talk to them?" But gradually, as it became clear that we were constructive, that we were trying to offer something that could be implemented, that we were also trying to delve into the problems that exist in the ministry ... This, by the way, does not depend on specific personalities. This was both under Dmitry Viktorovich Livanov, and under Olga Yuryevna Vasilyeva. I just see that they are listening. A lot of things that we proposed turned out to be eventually implemented. Therefore, we must take an active position, we must try to formulate some things. And most importantly, that they be public, so that it is clear that the things that the Russian Academy of Sciences formulates, they benefit both the scientific community, and Russian society generally.

O.O.: You are the Vice-Rector of Moscow State University. At the same time, you are running for president of the Russian Academy of Sciences. But in the public field (and even more so in the non-public field) there is such a stable confrontation between university and academic people. That these are two different worldviews, these are different interests. How are you going to convince your colleagues at the Academy that you will reflect the interests of the academic community, and how much of an academic person you are in general?

A.Kh.: Of course, I work at the main place of work at Moscow University. But for almost 20 years I have been heading a large laboratory at the Nesmeyanov Institute of Organoelement Compounds of the Russian Academy of Sciences. From this point of view, I know from the inside all the problems that exist in academic institutions. I have been a member of the Presidium of the Russian Academy of Sciences since 2008, and, in general, I actively participated in all activities ... Some of my proposals were implemented, some were not. But I tried to do something. And finally, the council for science under the Ministry of Education and Science is not some kind of university or scientific body. You can see. All our solutions are published on our website. Is there any shift towards universities compared to science at the institutes of the Academy of Sciences? Of course not. And I would think that there is no need to oppose at all. This opposition does not lead to any positive things. There are scientists. Some scientists work in scientific institutes, some scientists work at universities. It is very important that there is integration.

One of the things I propose is to revive the integration program that existed in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when scientists from academic institutions and universities jointly joined forces to prepare senior students ...

О.О.: You participated in educational programs.

Oh yes. It was really very important, very good program. And it needs to be implemented.

O.O.: Another problem that leaders are now solving both at universities in the country and at academic institutions. Probably, this is what many people have a headache now. May presidential decrees. In 2012, Vladimir Putin said that our scientists should receive on average 2 times more than the average salary in the region. In Moscow, these are huge numbers. I know how this problem is solved in many FASO academic institutions, what is happening there. There, people still have the same salary, but at the same time they are told that now you do not have a full bet for 20,000 or 25,000, and this is just 0.2 of your bet. That is, the money remains the same, but people are transferred or laid off. What do you think about this, and how is it solved at the university?

A.Kh.: The fact is that at the university we started work on the implementation of these May decrees back in 2012. And they consistently tried to do it by different things. Attraction of additional financing. Each employee of Moscow University has a certain personal rating. And those incentive allowances or bonuses that he receives correspond to the rating that he has.

When re-elected to a position and when elected, the rating is also taken into account. But we believe that if a person's rating corresponds to the bottom quarter of employees, then this is a kind of wake-up call, and you need to look at whether he corresponds to his position, and so on. But this work proceeded consistently.

In the Russian Academy of Sciences, for reasons related to the fact that a reform has taken place there, they have only now begun to think about it. By the way, Moscow University is still fulfilling the May decrees, despite, as you say, astronomical figures. I understand that the position reasonable people which both in the Federal Agency for Scientific Organizations and reasonable directors lies in the fact that it is necessary to show the dynamics, it is necessary to show that, after all, academic institutions are concerned that, to put it mildly, not all employees work at the proper level there, what with they somehow carried out work, those who work inefficiently are transferred as a preventive measure to a share of the rate, and so on. That is, it must be done.

But when it comes to the fact that everyone (who works well, who works poorly - it doesn’t matter) is transferred to 0.2 - 0.5, this, of course, is completely wrong. I am sure that the role of the Russian Academy of Sciences, if it wants to take on this role, will be very important in preventing such a development of events. In fact, it could be such an additional negotiating link, when, on the one hand, the leadership of the Federal Agency for Scientific Organizations, on the other hand, directors of institutes.

OO: Wait, but there is just an objective reality. It lies in the fact that in order to increase wages in those declared norms by 2 times more than the average salary in the region, this simply requires additional funding. But he is not. They didn't give him.

A.Kh.: The position of the Federal Agency for Scientific Organizations is that those institutions that show positive dynamics will receive additional funding. But if you wait for additional funding to fall from the sky, then, of course, such a position is impossible. That is, we must first start reforms, then get additional funding. But reforms like "let's put everyone on a part-time or quarter-time basis" are completely unacceptable. This is called swindle. Is it really not clear that this is not what is written in the presidential decrees? Do those people who come up with such schemes, they do not understand that these schemes will become public knowledge, they will be punished?

O.O.: Aleksey Removich, among those of your colleagues who are also running for president of the Russian Academy of Sciences, one of the important points of the election program is the focus on megascience. That megascience is those projects that will become the engine for the development of our science, and we need to focus on them. It is clear that there are not many such megasciences. If there is one in the country, it's good, but two is the maximum. And this is the driver, what will get us out. What do you think about it?

A.Kh.: Megascience is a very small sector of science. I am in my scientific activity I use quite a lot researches of polymeric objects by methods of neutron scattering, synchrotron radiation and so on. I'm applying. Usually, by the way, not in ours... Neutron scattering - Dubna has a good reactor. And we do a good job there. Say when it comes to x-ray scattering at the synchrotron, then it is most likely that I will apply to Grenoble, I will win, an employee will go there, analyze the samples, and that’s it. So what is megascience? These are some tools that are very large, but for solving some other scientific projects. Tools can never replace an entity. At the heart of the development of science, of course, are not very expensive installations of megascience. Especially with our budget, it's crazy to spend money on this. It is necessary to spend money on actively developing scientific groups, mainly young scientific leaders who make science at the modern level. With our budgets, focusing on megascience is completely unreasonable.

OO: Perhaps one of these expectations from the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences is the expectation of the deceived both on the part of journalists and on the part of the general public. There was a feeling that the Russian Academy should somehow turn its face towards society, that some kind of interaction should be established. This issue of communication between the Academy of Sciences and the general public, with journalists, has not been resolved during this time, and this is very strange. Because we understand that science is about the future. Science is shaping our future life. Maybe even for centuries. At the same time, when you go to the website of the Presidium of the Academy of Sciences, you find yourself in some very deep past. A huge shock for every person who tries to interact with the House of Scientists of the Russian Academy of Sciences is that information on the site about what is happening in the House of Scientists can appear only once a month. Because only once a month a person comes there who owns sacred knowledge, almost like a recipe for old beer, one person knows how to do it.

You wrote in your article in the Trinity Variant that we should be more open, public, and not be afraid of contacts and communications. How are you going to do it? It seems to me that this car does not move at all.

AH: Indeed, I wrote it. And I certify that...

О.О.: Will you change the site, if anything?

A.Kh.: In general, the style of work of the presidium should be changed. Somehow it is very archaic, everything is very dull, boring. But science is really breakthroughs into the future. And the Russian Academy of Sciences is the only statutory body that represents Russian scientists. The Presidium should, in a certain sense, work as an ambassador of science, an ambassador of the scientific and educational community in society as a whole, in a broader sense. It is necessary, of course, to restructure all information flows related to science. Popularization of science should be in one of the first places. This is, in principle, in the form of the Russian Academy of Sciences, which is now - this should be one of the main functions of science. We need to change all this. And if we are open to society and the scientific community, if we involve in the work both professors of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and experts of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and in general those active scientists who work at the modern level, who want to do something for the development of Russian science, this will only be good.

That is, the meaning of what I wrote there is that the Academy should not be turned inward, but more broadly to the entire scientific community and to the whole society. In this direction, I suggest that the work of the presidium should be restructured.

O.O.: Our program included Vice-Rector of Lomonosov Moscow State University, Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexei Khokhlov.


The video interview can be viewed on the ORT website (26:24).